http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ The central place for Hellenistic astrology on the web en-US Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:26:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/search.php http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/assigning-gods-to-signs#post-14 Sat, 22 May 2010 16:11:48 +0000 Chris Brennan 14@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Are you talking about the assignments of some of the gods of the Greek pantheon to each of the signs that show up in Valens and 'Pythagoras'? </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/hellenistic-astrology-return-to-roots-vs-modern-developments#post-13 Sat, 22 May 2010 16:09:58 +0000 Chris Brennan 13@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Hi, </p> <p>That is a good question in general. I only know a few people who advocate the *complete* return to older forms of astrology, without incorporating any of the developments that have occurred in the modern period. For most people the question is more about discovering what the earlier systems were, and then seeing whether or not the areas of disagreement can be resolved. Sometimes there are places where the disagreements can be resolved in some way, while other times you have to side with one approach or another. The sign rulership issue is an example of the latter, I think. </p> <p>I'm not sure that it is as clear cut with the house division issue necessarily, that the use of the older method requires the complete rejection of the newer one. Because of the interplay between the whole sign and quadrant systems in the Hellenistic tradition itself, which you pointed out, clearly there is some room for both approaches to have a place. The question is simply what place each approach can or should have in the system. </p> <p>The quadrant system that shows up in Valens and Porphyry was the Porphyry system, where you simply tisect the arcs between the degrees of the angles. In Valens this is the system that he introduces for the purpose of studying the activity of the planets within the context of the length of life technique. So, within that context it was used as a 'dynamic' division, which is the terminology and distinction that Schmidt introduced in his introduction to Ptolemy. That paper can be read online on the CURA site if anyone is curious: <a href="http://cura.free.fr/quinq/02schmi.html" rel="nofollow">http://cura.free.fr/quinq/02schmi.html</a></p> <p>The real question, and the one that you are getting at I think, is whether or not the dynamic or quadrant systems should be used for topics, which was the purpose of the whole sign system in the Hellenistic tradition, but became the role of the quadrant systems afterward. To some extent this was already happening during the Hellenistic tradition, insomuch as the degree of the MC and IC were being taken into account and given topical significance. This isn't the same as giving the same significance to the rest of the 'cusps' though however. </p> <p>Ultimately I think that if you are working primarily from the backdrop of the Hellenistic system in general, then whole sign houses will naturally be the only topical system that you end up employing. Just speaking for myself, that one technique (whole sign houses) was one of the main selling points of the system, because of how well it worked in general, how integrated it is into the system at a very core level, and because of how well it clears up the issues that had been introduced into the system by making the quadrant systems the primary means of determining topics. The question of whether or not that was a necessary or advisable development in the tradition is one of the most interesting points raised by the rediscovery of whole sign houses, if for no other reason than it forces a reexamination of the nature and purpose of house division in general. </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/assigning-gods-to-signs#post-12 Fri, 14 May 2010 18:24:23 +0000 byjove 12@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Does anyone know how and why the Greeks assigned certain Gods to different signs. I'm trying to avoid what the Romans said, since they copied just about everything from the Greeks, no? I'm curious to know how we made the jump from Gods to signs.</p> <p>Also, if the Greeks genuinely believe that those Gods existed, is there any merit for us to follow the system? Or is it along the lines of Karl Jung who said something like the Gods representing different aspects of the human condition? If we follow Jung's idea, how does that change how we know the Greeks viewed astrology? </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/hellenistic-astrology-return-to-roots-vs-modern-developments#post-11 Fri, 14 May 2010 18:18:05 +0000 byjove 11@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Hi all,</p> <p>it's about time I joined this forum. I've been reading it for long enough. Great site btw Chris and others!</p> <p>So this is one of the problems I've stuggled with more and more as I hear about Hellenistic astrology. How much should we 'return to our roots', to the ancient Greeks, and how much since then is good enough to take with us? </p> <p>For example, one of the clearest points of contention is, that the newer house systems (prepare for controversy) have...no use? Am I right? There's dynamic and topical division. Which dynamic division did the Greeks use? Something LIKE Campagnus for dynamic and whole sign for topical use? </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/essential-dignity-vs-reception#post-9 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:07:14 +0000 Andrew 9@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Well, a strong supporter of the theory is Rob Hand and claims its hellenistic origins. I found it working in practice but leads to this paradoxical situation we find above. So, any ideas? </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/essential-dignity-vs-reception#post-7 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:41 +0000 Chris Brennan 7@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Sorry, I didn't realize that you had posted this. I need to configure my email notifications better. </p> <p>Who says that a planet with no dignity cannot receive? </p> <p>I think that this is mainly an issue from a Medieval perspective, because the conceptualization of the conditions for "reception" were not quite the same in the Hellenistic tradition. </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/essential-dignity-vs-reception#post-6 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:12:47 +0000 Andrew 6@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Let us assume we have this position:<br /> The Moon in Taurus, Venus in Aquarius (or Scorpio, or Aries). Venus has no essential dignity, so it is peregrine (-5)(or exile, or in aversion) . Theory says that a planet with no dignity can not receive.<br /> Yet the Moon is in its exaltation. The question is: If the Lord of the Zoidia can not receive the Planet in its Dignity, should the affairs promissed by that Planet be considered as if they will not come to pass?<br /> What hellenistic texts deal with this issue? </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/new-forum-launched#post-5 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:00:51 +0000 Chris Brennan 5@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>I launched two forums that day, and I'm not sure what the time was exactly. One of them had the Moon applying to both benefics, while the other had the Moon enclosed between the two. One of them had Capricorn rising as well. My location is Denver, so you should be able to backform it based on that. </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/new-forum-launched#post-4 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:35:59 +0000 Funkstar 4@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>Well this one is going better than the one I launched, I can't find it anymore! </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/new-forum-launched#post-3 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:22:02 +0000 Funkstar 3@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>All the best Chris. Is there a way you can adjust the format here so the exact time of the posts are displayed? I would love to check out the Hellenistic Astrology Forum horoscope. We are under the influence of a very fortunate New Moon cycle at the moment. </p> http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/topic/new-forum-launched#post-2 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:20:13 +0000 Chris Brennan 2@http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/forum/ <p>After several months of being down we've finally re-launched the discussion forum here on HellenisticAstrology.com. Unfortunately we lost everything from the old forum, but this new format has quite a bit of promise, and I look forward to seeing how it works out. </p>